"Mr. Wisdom has the real seed idea of the Christ transmitted, reproduced and brought to fruition
and he is willing to sacrifice his life for his religious convictions."

"If you have fight in you for your own defense, you would have a right to use
the same method for national defense."

Excerpts from an interview FATHER DIVINE granted to Mr. Eugene W. Youngs and Mr Wayne H. Webb,
Special Agents, Federal Bureau of Investigation In HIS Office 1887-89 Madison Avenue, N. Y. C.,
Thursday, June 19th, 1941 A.D.F.D.

Re: Wisdom Kindness, Conscientious Objector



Perfect Peace

Perfect Peace

FATHER: Peace!

Mr. Youngs: Good afternoon Father. This is Mr. Webb.

FATHER: Pleased to meet you. Take seats.

Mr. Youngs: What we want to talk to YOU about is the result of a conference we had at our Assistant United States District Attorney's Office and this concerns Wisdom Kindness, one of YOUR followers. The thing we want to talk to YOU about is Wisdom Kindness and the Selective Service Act. Wisdom Kindness has registered and has submitted his questionnaire but refused to take a physical examination, and according to regulations of the Selective Service Act, FATHER, in order for a person to be classified he must take the physical examination first.

Mr Werner( the U. S. District Attorney) asked me to deliver to YOU, for YOUR information and whatever other use you want to make of it, copies of the regulations of the Selective Service System.

FATHER: I see. Well, I appreciate this very much because I would like to know definitely what I AM talking about if I try to instruct them in any way, you see, as far as the legality of what you say or what other representatives of the department say. So when I have this I can show them definitely what it says and we are willing to cooperate in any way that is not in violation to our religious conviction.(After further explanation of the situation of Mr. Wisdom Kindness FATHER spoke as follows:)

FATHER: Well I pretty well understand now just what you would like for ME to do in the way of cooperating with the department, and of course, as far as I can I am willing to do so. Of course, Mr. Wisdom, as I said the other day in a conference, I believe his life for the past nine years since he has taken up the study of the Gospel through MY Teaching, should be investigated.

There are some few out of the millions of followers which I have, who have not been deeply convicted as Mr. Wisdom has. Now he has the real seed idea of the Christ transmitted, reproduced and brought to fruition and he is willing to sacrifice his life for his religious convictions.

Now there are others who have not, you see. It is not everyone who believes in ME who has come to this degree. Now as I was saying to party here not very long ago, one of MY followers, he was ready to hit with his fist. I said "Well now, if you have fight in you for your own defense, you would have a right to use the same method for national defense." I said "You are not using the Biblical method according to MY Teaching, because I teach passiveness."

(Again later FATHER said:) So I feel that the government should not allow those in the time of the extreme emergency to cramp or oppress the subjects who are conscientious objectors, but I do feel that they should investigate

This country, because of its democracy, because it grants the privilege of serving GOD to the dictates of your own conscience, it has given rise to the messages I AM giving and it has protected ME in bringing forth the Christ to fruition in the consciousness of the people and bringing them to the conscious recognition of GOD, and causes them to respect law and order, to be self-respecting and law-abiding citizens. It has helped ME to do that and it has helped ME to have access for expression to bring forth the Christ to fruition.

And that is the reason why I tell MY followers the Constitution is the great document nationally that we should consider. because I believe under the Constitution shall go forth the Law to all nations, the Law of the Spirit of Life that was in Christ Jesus transmitted and legalized, that it might direct and guide the people into the recognition of GOD where they have not recognized GOD in some countries like in Russia and different places where they are trying to get away from the recognition of GOD; and yet they want to dominate the world with violence, and with and savagery and brutality. Such will never be as long as I AM privileged and MY followers are privileged to have free access for expression, because the Spirit of GOD's Presence will stand as a bulwark of prohibitation.

(Shortly thereafter FATHER led the way down to the dining room where many were awaiting the service of Holy Communion with the Lord.)


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