As Miss Delight entered FATHER'S study she said, 'Peace, FATHER', to which FATHER responded, 'Peace', after which Miss Delight spoke as follows:
Miss Delight: It's lovely to be with YOU. I don't know what I want to say first. I want to thank YOU for the privilege since I have been here, of speaking with MOTHER and I thank YOU and I have enjoyed the Spiritual, material food and FATHER, I want YOU to be with me on my trips and in the plane.
FATHER: You expect to return today?
Miss Delight: Tonight.
FATHER: How many are there returning tonight?
Miss Delight: Twelve came on the last plane that came, so there will be twelve of us. I think I will mention this to YOU, FATHER: my so-called children seem to think YOU want the money and the homes and things like that.
FATHER: If I didn't know, I wouldn't know you had any money, as far as I AM concerned and as far as the whole Peace Mission Movement is concerned. (At this time Miss Delight started to say something, but FATHER said) Just a moment. I want to say, as far as I AM concerned and as far as the whole Peace Mission is concerned, My followers have unlimited purchasing power.
Miss Delight: YOU want their hearts instead of the money, isn't that right?
FATHER: Well, from a monetary point of view, My followers have unlimited purchasing power, the same as I said last Saturday when we were in Pine Brook: for the last twenty years or more I have caused even the little Rosebuds and Crusaders that just finished school and some before they finished school, to clear at least one thousand dollars a year. From that time until now, for the last twenty years, the individuals, they should have those who knew ME from that time until now, who are true followers of Mine, they should have at least twenty thousand dollars, each one of them, the most simplest one.
Of course, I do not claim anything and I do not own anything Personally, but those of My followers have become to be super-rich, super-independent and My doctrine I teach and preach is a doctrine of Independence. I have never taken up a collection, never done any soliciting and never asked anyone to give anything. That is why we have a way of everybody being independent, even though at one time did not have to pay and were not required to pay for the meals, not even fifty percent of what they would have to pay elsewhere, you see.
Miss Delight: I see.
FATHER: It was made possible so individuals could be independent on such as that and could meet their obligations and that was all that was required.
Miss Delight: Well, FATHER, YOU have made me independent and this little property I have, I just wonder if I would be doing the right thing if I sold it to the son and give what he pays for it to the sister and I wouldn't have anything of it.
FATHER: Well, you know what you want to do. Personally, I haven't anything to do with that and I think all of our Churches and the Peace Mission Movement in general, is quite well fixed and I AM not seeking anyone to give anything or to do anything. Whatsoever anyone does, they do it of their own volunteer volition and they have been doing it that way and to our Churches many have donated, as I have explained, and because of their volunteer donations the surplus money that the Churches had, they dispensed with it in the securing of personal and real property to help the members and others to be secure in that which they had donated.
Miss Delight: I figure I would like to keep my money to put it for a universal Cause or whatever you might call it, to the Church or a universal Cause, where it would help somebody. I am not seeking to save it for myself.
FATHER: Of course, it has been and the way it is now, we have never taken up any collections, never did any soliciting and never requested anyone to give anything, saving to pay the meager fee of fifteen cents a meal, for fifteen or twenty years. Since then it has increased, as you know, but up until recently they have not been obliged nor required to pay more than the fifteen cents a meal. That way they are paying for what they get as they pay for the sleeping accommodations and the like, and they are independent and they are helping others to be independent that way and of course, it causes them to be un obligated to anything other than the donations or fees, other than just donating for such things as they receive.
But as far as the Spiritual work is concerned, it has never been our policy to donate for the Spiritual Work. Unless they were immediate members or belong to some individual, immediate Church, if they did donate to and for that particular Church it would be that they would be the members and owners and an individual private ownership, you see. Now throughout the East here it has been conservatively estimated My followers own more than Two Million Dollars' worth of property right here in Philadelphia.
Miss Delight: Wonderful!
FATHER: But it is privately owned property. There are a few, some of the properties belong to the Church, but the most of the properties are private ownership.
Miss Delight: That is whereby they help humanity.
FATHER: That is right. That way they have been helping humanity by helping the Church and the Church, in turn, has been helping them. I might say the Lorraine Hotel, which was a million-dollar Hotel, it cost the followers just about a half a million up on Broad Street.
Miss Delight: That is where I have been staying.
FATHER: That Hotel was purchased by the Churches' money but it was turned back to those who had donated to the Church, you see, because the Church had more it had surplus money more than what it would need for the immediate Church proper, you see.
Miss Delight: FATHER, may I ask YOU a question? YOU say be independent and YOU say we have to give up all, and that is a little bit confusing to me and yet, if I trust YOU I would be supplied. Is that right?
FATHER: Well, if the Spirit reveals it to you that way, you have a right to be governed by your own intuition and that would be your own individual conviction and you would be standing on a principle or religious conviction within yourself and not for another. That would be the thought for an individual that would individually have that conviction. The same as I say about people joining the U.S. Army or the U.S. Navy; some of the followers do not believe in warfare and bloodshed. Of course, it is true, according to our Church Discipline, we do not believe in warfare and bloodshed, but if any individual does not individually have that conviction, that person should be governed by his highest intuition and if they want to go to war voluntarily, go in the Armed Forces, it would be all right for them to do it if they are led to do so voluntarily.
On the other hand, if they are led not to do so, it would not be anyone else to blame, saving themselves, and if they would rebel against being drafted in the Army or something of that sort, and say they would not fight, according to our Righteous Government Platform which says they would not fight their brother for any cause whatsoever. Well, if some happen to be devout to that degree and would not fight their fellow brother for any cause whatsoever and would not go in the Army, then they would be obliged to abide by the consequences individually, not organizationally, for each individual has his own individual conviction. So that frees everyone to be governed by his own highest intuition. See the mystery? So that is the way we stand, for My conviction would not necessarily be yours.
Miss Delight: No, each one should have their own.
FATHER: That's right. But yet, if it is yours then yours would be as much yours as Mine would be Mine.
Miss Delight: We would be one.
FATHER: Sure, and we would be standing in the unity of the Spirit and of Mind. So that would be the point of it. The same as Social Security; the majority of My followers do not take out Social Security because that is in violation to their Church Discipline, Constitution and By-Laws, yet, if an individual desires to insure anything individually that would be up to him to do it.
Miss Delight: Wouldn't it be wrong?
FATHER: It would not be wrong for him or for her.
Miss Delight: It wouldn't be a sin?
FATHER: It would not be in their estimation. Every person has a right to be governed by their highest intuition.
Miss Delight: Now, I have a car and I have been undecided whether to sell that car or whether to have it insured. In California they are particular about insurance against accidents. I don't have any on myself. I don't know whether I am doing right or not.
FATHER: Well, you should have a conviction for yourself and your conviction, if it is a conscientious religious conviction from the depths of your soul, if it is CHRIST that has converted you to that end that you should not take out insurance and you should not insure anything, why then, to you it would be wrong; but if you do not have that conviction in yourself, you would be free to do the same as all other people do, lots of people do.
Miss Delight: I drove from 1913 to 1944 without any insurance and I never had an accident and my punctures were around the home, in the yard or garage, and I never had much trouble on the road, never by myself. It was always somebody else in the car if I had trouble. So, I don't really feel it is necessary for me to have it and yet, they insist I take it.
FATHER: I used to drive, when I was driving MYSELF, about twenty-five or thirty years ago, I used to drive MYSELF mostly; I would drive MYSELF, especially My Personal private car, and I did not carry a spare, but I placed MYSELF at the mercy of My Spirit in actuality, just with the consideration if I would choose to or be unfortunate enough to have an accident some place, I said, then let me walk some place until I could go where I could buy a tire. That is why I put MYSELF on the spot to that end; but of course, I just did not have an accident, because if you do not pay for anything you cannot expect to get it; but you can expect to get what you pay for, if it is life or death.
So that is the stand I take and I have preached it for lo, these many years Personally and I have lifted up a standard to that end that I would not insure anything, and the Movement has had some few pieces of property to be destroyed by fire, just a little, but I said, it is written if you look for something, you get it and pay for it; not only so, but I further said, as it is written, no man has forsaken or lost all these things that are enumerated in the Bible, that you sacrifice for CHRIST'S sake, lest you gain an hundredfold more in this present time and in the world to come, life everlasting. I said for every dollars' worth of property that may be destroyed by fire, if possible
Miss Delight (interposing): If it wasn't insured.
FATHER: If it was possible for it, not being insured, we would gain a Hundred Dollars for every One Dollars' worth of property that would be destroyed by fire.
Miss Delight: That's wonderful, FATHER; and besides, look what it saves. I think that is wonderful.
FATHER: So, as with the fire insurance, so with other insurances. We make the sacrifice of such for righteousness' sake and if we can lose, it is a loss according to the Gospel, whereby if we lose anything we will gain an hundredfold more in this present time and we would rather trust My Spirit.
Miss Delight: Than the insurance.
FATHER: My Spirit has promised and if I did not know Who I AM if I did not know Who I AM, I would say that GOD or CHRIST has promised ME that if I lose anything for His Name's sake I will gain an hundredfold more. That is My Insurance and I wouldn't take it back for anything. So it is Wonderful!
Miss Delight: O FATHER, how I am enjoying this talk.
FATHER: It is so fixed that a person, whether he or she recognizes ME, My Deity, or recognizes it not, if they are trusting in GOD Personally or Impersonally, if they will take a stand for righteousness' sake and be convicted or converted into that conviction
Miss Delight: To righteousness.
FATHER: . . . to righteousness and let righteousness be your protection and be your insurance and your assurance and you could step out on the promise and if you lost anything you wouldn't care, because you know you had just as well to lose it trusting in the real insurance as to lose it trusting in insurance that is fallible.
Miss Delight: That's wonderful, FATHER, and I surely enjoyed talking with YOU. I hope and I want YOU to be with me on my trip and in everything I do. I want YOU to reveal some of these things I don't understand.
FATHER: Okay, keep the faith and according to your faith, so be it. Now when you concentrate in the positive direction and on the perfect ideal, according to your conviction, the transmission of the Spirit and the understanding to you will be given.
Miss Delight: YOU have revealed a good many things to me that I never would have thought of. I get it through inspiration. I got a song I guess YOU heard it maybe. (And with this remark Miss Delight sang the following little inspiration to which she referred:)
'Get aboard FATHER'S Ship and be one of FATHER'S Crew;
FATHER DIVINE is the Captain, the rudder and the anchor too.
Get aboard FATHER'S Ship and you will be happy too.
Glory, Glory Hallelujah! Sweet FATHER is calling you!'
And I had a little song come to me this morning for MOTHER, just a few lines,
if I can just think:
'If you follow MOTHER DIVINE, you will rise and shine.'
FATHER: It is Wonderful! Well, it is true, if you concentrate in the positive
you can expect to get the positive inspiration which is accurate information;
the positive inspiration would be accurate information.
Miss Delight: Wonderful! And FATHER, YOU know there are only just a few of us there in Sacramento now. (At this time Miss Delight briefly told of the small group that assemble in various homes in Sacramento and remarked that she was questioning whether or not it would be possible to secure wire recordings inasmuch as there were so few it was not possible to obtain testimonies to send in return, after which FATHER spoke as follows:)
FATHER: Well, a good many of them get new testimonies just like that little inspiration fresh bread.
Miss Delight: Yes, if they do, that would be wonderful.
FATHER: Well, the Holy Spirit will give you whatsoever is necessary. What is your connection? What I mean by that, I know you are representing the Peace Mission Movement, under the Peace Mission Movement.
Miss Delight: But we don't have any Mission.
FATHER: And no Church.
Miss Delight: We just take the recording machine into homes or have them come in my home. Wherever they let me in with the recordings I will go and play it anywhere or they can come to my home and listen.
FATHER: Well, it is all right if the Spirit leads you to do that and if they want to come in and yet, as I say, if the time would come that there would be enough and you would desire to organize
Miss Delight: That would give me a thrill, FATHER. I would sure love it if we could have a place to invite outsiders in. That would be wonderful!
FATHER: Yes, others could come in if you produce enough of the Truth to unfold it to others efficiently and intelligently; it will be all right.
Miss Delight: FATHER, I will do the best I can with no education. YOU are educating me.
FATHER: Well, the Spirit is sufficient for all things.
Miss Delight: Thank FATHER.
FATHER: Well, I AM very happy to give you this little talk because I heard you were going and as you were up here, but as the bell had just rung and you were up here, I thought I would speak with you. I know you know, at any of the places under the Peace Mission Movement when there are vacant seats at any of the Tables where I preside, you are welcome to dine and you should feel free to do so. I suppose you have been served today, haven't you?
Miss Delight: Not yet.
FATHER: Not yet, haven't you?
Miss Delight: In the Lunch Room but I was kind of holding off because I wanted to eat my good meal just before I go on the plane.
FATHER: Well, I always look for you all to dine at any of the Tables. We serve at seven o'clock A.M. here and then when those Tables are finished they are reset and served again. There is the seven o'clock Table and then the eight o'clock and the twelve o'clock. I hardly ever go down until two o'clock, but then at twelve o'clock they serve and serve over again.
Miss Delight: What time do they serve after two, what is the next service?
FATHER: After that, when that Table is finished, they serve again right after that; when they reset the Table they serve another Banquet right after that. So by the time they get through that it is about three or four and then they do especially have a six o'clock Banquet Service.
Miss Delight: I don't suppose I should wait until the six.
FATHER: Well, maybe you can get to this Table.
Miss Delight: I would like to be there because YOU are there, but I would like to eat a late meal because I don't know whether we will have a meal on the plane or not.
FATHER: Someone said, the group that went off yesterday someone said with their tickets meals are supplied.
Miss Delight: Well, we did have two years ago, but going back we didn't have anything.
FATHER: Well, you want to eat a-plenty; and not only so, if it is necessary the waitresses could fix you some sandwiches.
Miss Delight: Oh, wonderful, FATHER! I would like to have a sandwich or two.
FATHER: Sure, because I know how it is when you are up there and can't get anything to eat. Just as I AM blessed Personally and those who are with ME Personally, I like to see everybody the same, as far as material comfort and convenience is concerned, because if we are just going home from here to Newark, just about two hours or two hours and a half hours ride, we have something in the car.
Miss Delight: I know YOU do.
FATHER: Okay.
Miss Delight: FATHER, I sure do thank YOU for all these nice things YOU have enlightened me with and I say Peace and all Blessings to YOU.
FATHER: Thank you. Just know within yourself any further information or co-operation, instruction as it may be termed, it can be had through concentration. As I tell all of My immediate adherents and those with whom I come in contact daily, it is not necessary for you to contact ME Personally especially, for My Spirit is quite efficient and sufficient to give any information and to help and aid you in any manner of expression. So if you have the faith just know you can get just as much through My Spirit and from My Spirit as if you would be speaking to ME Personally and that way if you are self-denied and consecrated it will be undiluted, it will be perfect information. I thank you.
Miss Delight: FATHER, inasmuch as I have a small home, I am happy in it. I have a quiet home and I am happy in it and until the Spirit leads me, is that all right for me to stay there?
FATHER: Be governed by your highest intuition.
Miss Delight: All right, FATHER, I will do the best I can.
FATHER: It is perfectly all right as far as I AM Personally concerned. Of course, it is true, I do not refrain from the way to GOD from the foundation and to the consideration, a person expecting to inherit eternal life they should take the life and the Teaching of CHRIST.
Now, I might say what I have said heretofore: there are those who desire to live, as so to speak, on flowery beds of ease mentally and spiritually and they do not wish to pay the price, by making the simplest necessary sacrifice. But it is true, that which is required of others, the same is required of you. Whatsoever was required of Abraham, the Father of the faithful and the Founder of the Faith, the same is required of you. GOD told Abraham to get thee out from among thine kin and out of thy country and from among thy kindreds and GOD told MOTHER to do the same; MOTHER in this present Body here, and if SHE had not be willing to do it, SHE could not have been the International and Universal QUEEN. SHE would have been as Esau, who sold his birthright for a dry morsel of pottage.
So the thought still remains, a person cannot expect to inherit anything unless they make the sacrifice to get it, pay for it the same as everybody else, and what everybody else does. MOTHER in the first Body had to pay it to be with ME and so it has been with all others. But it is the privilege of all individuals to be governed by their highest intuition.
Miss Delight: I understand.
FATHER: They may be led erroneously but that is their responsibility. You see, that is the thought. So I thought I would speak frankly to you and let you know, what is required of one is required of another and whatsoever is required of others is required of others other than those to whom the requirement has been made. So that is the thought of it. But as you see; as you see from a Personal point of view, I would not and do not have anything to do with what people do; you see from a Personal point of view, for with ME it is absolutely immaterial to ME what they do.
Miss Delight: As a Person.
FATHER: Sure! But they know or should know what is just and right for them to do for their advancement and for their betterment. So one should be governed by his or her highest intuition. But on the other hand, unless they do get a conscientious, religious conviction they will be made subject to vanity unwittingly and unwillingly and be led carnal-mindedly. Quotation, 'For to be carnally minded is death but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.' Jesus as a sample and as an example said when they called Him and said,
'Thy mother and thy brethren want thee out there' and Jesus said,
'Who is My mother and who are My brethren and who are My sisters?
They that do the will of My Father, they are the ones', etc..
Well now, if Jesus is the sample and was the sample and the example, how can anyone else expect to make a garment of righteousness saving by making it after the fashion of the pattern? So that is up to the individual, but when you speak on the terms of doing certain things and to get a promise to remain in mortality, they are dying in mortality and dying by carnality. All who live after the flesh shall die, as far as that is concerned, and to be carnally minded is death and if a person desires to live in those things mortally, you can expect nothing else but death. But when you make the sacrifice you are making it for righteousness' sake. Yet it would all be in vain unless it is made in all simplicity with all your heart, soul and mind. I thank you.
Miss Delight: Thank YOU, FATHER.
FATHER: Peace, Dear!
Miss Delight: Peace, FATHER, I am going to ask one more thing, FATHER, bless me in health.
FATHER: Keep the Faith.
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